There’s been some interest online lately about doing chunky, frosted glass vessels like the ones pictured here. They’re something I’ve been experimenting with ever since my parents’ big glass display doors came down.
My parents bought a home formerly occupied by a collector of antique dolls and old china. She’d housed about 300 dolls inside a massive mirrored shelving system with huge and dangerously unstable tempered glass sliding doors.
The only way to get them out was to shatter them, which resulted in about 10 garbage bags full of broken tempered glass. What was nice about it was that there was a LOT of self-compatible glass there (you can’t be sure that two separate float glass sheets are compatible).
What was bad about it was that there was a LOT of it, and I did a lot of size-sorting and washing to get it into a usable state.
After that, however, the experimenting (and the fun) started.
I’d never fused with float glass before, and quickly found that it has very (VERY) different characteristics than glass especially made for hot/warm working.
For one thing, it’s a lot stiffer, it doesn’t tend to soften and spread as much, and even though its working temps are only 50-100 degrees above, say, Bullseye glass, it takes a lot more heatwork to make it do stuff.
I found that float has a (much) stronger tendency to devitrify, i.e., begin to crystallize for a frosted look, and there’s also that little compatibility issue.
Float glass fusing artists, i.e., people who work exclusively with float glass for architectural purposes or whatnot, tend to order their material by the case from the manufacturer. They know exactly what they’re getting understand the formulation, and experience many fewer surprises than I’m talking about here.
Fusing with float glass scrap is a whole ‘nother ballgame. It’s a lot of fun, you can make some absolutely gorgeous pieces with the stuff, but there are some rules.
Glass you get from a window or shelf can come from anywhere. It might not even be float glass (there’s also plate glass, for instance, although it’s a lot less likely, especially if you live on the west coast).
Float manufacturers, moreover, are obviously not going to maintain a fusing compatibility standard (well, heck, they don’t do that for stained glass, either… 😉 for something they’re planning on using for a window or coffee table top.
On the other hand, float glass is a LOT cheaper than fusing glass. And in my case, it was free. It’s clear and smooth, and if it’s tempered, as it was here, it’s in interesting little cubes, squares and–where the fractures hadn’t yet completely realized–interesting-looking shark-tooth shapes that caught and bounced the light much better than the usual conchoidal fractures of regular glass.
The 1 sheet rule: 1 sheet = 1 project. Because you don’t know the source, you also don’t know the compatibility. Rather than spend time testing each individual glass shelf/door/whatnot to make sure they’re all compatible, I don’t combine different sheets of glass.
It can limit the size of the pieces you make, but that’s better than losing a piece to compatibility issues. (The ice sculpture on the left was as much as I could get out of an old glass display shelf)
Clean first, shatter later. It is one more pain in the neck to clean shattered tempered glass thoroughly. Ask me how I know this. Cleaning the glass really, really well with Dawn and/or denatured alcohol removes potential nucleation sites from the glass surface, reducing the level of devit.
One firing is better than two. To keep the glass as transparent as possible, I tend to do these pieces in a single firing, which means I lay the shards directly on the mold and fire in place. Multiple layers of float shards fuse together nicely and in the first firing either stay transparent or acquire only enough devitrification to be interesting.
Minimum of THREE contact points in a tack fuse. I lay up the glass so that every piece has at least three (preferably four) contact points with adjacent pieces. I’ve found that pieces with one or two contacts tend to break off with use.
The smaller cube/crumbles can be piled into a mold and leveled, which makes a nice, faceted look, but I tend to prefer combining smaller and larger shards in a kind of mosaic-and-grout style. I’ll often build “bridges” of rectangular pieces underneath the larger shards, which helps make the piece more stable.
A more sharply vertical mold either needs to be done in two firings (fuse and slump) or I use dual molds.
The cup at the top of this post, for example, has an inner and an outer mold (thanks to my mother the ceramicist). I carefully assemble the shards inside the outer mold, something like building a jigsaw puzzle, put a second layer in the bottom for stability, then place the inner mold in the glass.
In the picture, I’ve got a piece of eighth-inch fiber paper between the inner mold and the glass, to take care of expansion issues. I still had a fairly high rate of cracking on these, though, so I’m now using a thinfire liner with a sand/plaster core.
It still presses the glass in place, but isn’t as abusive on the cooling tackfuses. Big deal with that technique is keeping sand from getting trapped between the shards.
The single-layer cups are my favorite in this series–they remind me of ancient Roman glass. But they are EXTREMELY fragile unless very well sintered together, and probably more curiosities than actual saleable items.
The alternative with this method is to use multiple layers of glass all the way up the cup. It produces a different look, heavier, icier and less delicate, but you could probably also bounce this on the floor with relatively little damage (except to the floor).
I did this with nested stainless steel mixing bowls, kilnwashed, with about an inch in diameter between the inner and outer bowls. Since the stainless is so much lighter than the ceramic, I filled the inner bowl with sand to keep the glass compressed against the outer mold.
Taking this to extremes, I’ve also been making what I call “glassnests,” like the bowl at the top of this blog, which can be 5-6 layers of shards in between the inner and outer molds. The technique produces a very cool crushed ice look with lots of edge detail, as much as two inches thick on the sides.
These probably aren’t to everyone’s tastes, but there’s something very seductive about the solid mass of glass.
The Shards have been really popular with friends and relatives; the smaller trays make nice thank you gifts and the big, 20-inch round trays are a hit as holiday presents.
I’m just starting to mess around with adding colors to this style, and figuring out how to get a similar look with Bullseye glass.
On firing schedules
Many people have asked me to post firing schedules, but I’ve found there’s a lot of “your mileage may vary” in tack-fusing tempered float. I can’t control a whole bunch of variables, such as:
- What kind of float you’re using
- Whether you’re obtaining float from a consistent source or doing what I do, i.e., getting free batches of scrap from wherever (and therefore have absolutely no control from one sheet to the next)
- How big the tack-fuse components might be (it really matters)
- How your kiln heats (and even how big your kiln is or how far the float will be from the elements)
- The desired final texture of the glass (sharp edges? rounded edges?)
- How well you can clean the shards (again, it really matters)
- The degree of clarity/frost you want in the end result
I tend to prefer slow ramps with lower process temps, and prefer the “frosted” look that results, i.e., I get some devit. If you go faster through the devit zone your glass will be more transparent, but I’ve found that you also wind up with less component adhesion if you want to preserve the cubed/faceted look of the original glass.
Letting things cook at a lower temperature for awhile seems to help the components settle and fit into each other better, so that you need less melting-in to get things to stick.
My top process temps range from about 1380F to 1480F. 1380F keeps the pieces very sharp (you could cut yourself on the edges of big pieces) and barely tacked together. That look requires a long hold with a slow upramp, and works best with smaller components.
In my Skutt bathtub kiln, a top process temp of 30 minutes at around 1480F will produce a lot of softening and a very stable piece that’s relatively clear, but I don’t like its overmelty look as much.
Beyond 1480F I don’t get a whole lot of difference in the look, maybe a little softer; this glass doesn’t seem to move much.
My ideal working range (at the moment) is about 1425F-1440F, depending on the size of pieces I’m using. I tend to ramp initially at about 500dph, initiate a much slower “settle cycle” (in regular fusing you’d call this a bubble squeeze) across 1200F-1300F, and then move 50-200dph up to my process temp.
Addendum: There’s a discussion on annealing in the comments that’s instructive. Please note that these are TACKFUSES, which means that you’ve got cooling glass contracting and pulling against itself in every which way, setting up all kinds of strain opportunities.
Annealing therefore needs to be slow enough to allow all those potential stresses a chance to relax. That means your schedule will be much slower than the actual thickness of the piece would suggest.
Float glass seems to have a greater ability to tolerate strain without breaking than standard fusible glass (in my experience, anyway), but why risk it? If you’re going to play in the float glass fusing world, get yourself some polarizing film, do some tests, and figure out where your float glass comfort zone should be.
Hope that helps, but as I said, your mileage will vary. I guarantee it.
Hi Cynthia – I am new to this – and confused, LOL
If I, e.g. use shards of the broken car windscreen, how do I “clean” the glass, to get the middle “layer of plastic/whatever) out?
I want to make a bowl or plate – am I misunderstanding you – can I not use the shards just like that?
Kind Regards
Rene
Hi, Rene;
When I say “clean the glass,” I’m referring to cleaning uncoated, plain old glass without any adulterants, especially plastic coatings or inside layers. That cqn be cleaned the way you’d clean any glass, with glass cleaner, Dawn dishwashing liquid, acetone, denatured alcohol, etc. You don’t want to fire with any type of coating on the glass, and firing with a plastic coating can leave nasty black blobs, oily smoke that can be noxious to breathe, etc.
Typically, I avoid any kind of coated glass unless the coating is clearly visible and clearly removable. For example, I can scrape the silvering from an old mirror, or paint from an old lettered sign, and be pretty sure I got all of it. If you know that the glass has some kind of laminating layer or coating, don’t use it unless you know you can easily remove it. Even then, I’d test fire a small piece at a full fuse and check to make sure I got all of it.
For me, anyway, it’s just easier to avoid that type of glass.
Hope that helps–
–cynthia
Kim, float is not going to “Melt” at 1550 anyway. Float takes well over 2000F to liquefy, and then the results are not perfect. Countertops are not usually made of boro, so I just question the top temp.
Hi, Kim. I don’t check this blog as much as I used to (too busy working on the new one), but I’d go back and ask the guy what kind of glass he gave you. If he’s making countertops he should know. There’s an outside chance it could be borosilicate (very outside, but you never know).
Boro fusing schedules go closer to 1825-1850 at top temp. Of course, there’s a chance it’s also really stubborn float, I suppose.
If it is boro, I’ve heard it’s rather tricky to fire because of the strong tendency to devit. Never tried it, so I have no idea how true that is.
Thanks so much for the tutorial! I have been playing with float for the past year, and I throughly enjoy it. I buy float frit from Axner Ceramic, and sometimes add lots of color, and sometimes not much. I just got a load of safety glass from a windshield shop, and look forward to putting your tips and info into application!
I do have a question: I got a bucket of glass disks from a guy who did glass countertops — thick, heavy pieces. The disks don’t seem to melt hardly at all, and I have taken them to 1550 and soaked forever — and they casted, but retained their disk shape on the surface. How high can I go to try to get them fluid? I don’t want to overdo my Skutt 1227 kiln. Ideas?
Thanks again!! Kim
Tin side? Yup. If it’s made with a float technique (as I understand it), it does have a tin side. Whether that makes a difference depends on the project and who made the glass, I suspect.
I worry far more about never mixing different sheets of glass unless I’m certain they came from the same batch (which almost never happens), or if they’ve tested positive for compatibility. I think you’re far more likely to have compatibility problems than tin bloom issues.
That said, I’ve run into some glasses that exhibit tin bloom like crazy even after a single firing, and can cause the join between to pieces to fail. I guess the way to resolve that would be to buy a bunch of float from different manufacturers, test it and figure out which one is the most consistent, batch to batch, then make sure to buy a big batch of it.
HOWEVER…given that I’m getting my float/tempered glass for free from scrap heaps, I forget all that and just accept the occasional failure. 😉
just wondering if your shards of tempered glass have a “tin” side? I am just starting to work with float glass. So…. can you just dump the shards into the kiln without regard to which side is up?
Thanks, guys. They’re a LOT of fun to make although my failure rate’s a lot higher than with more conventional techniques. The best-looking pieces seem to have the fewest layers of glass and the most open spaces, which means the glass-to-glass contact points are fewer and the piece is therefor more fragile.
Right now I’m working on figuring out how to get the same effect with Bullseye glass and it’s harder than you’d think. 😉 But I’m finding that I either like the glass techniques that really NUKE the piece, like casting, or the ones that alter the raw glass the least, like tack-fusing. Anything in between (at least for now) seems boring. Weird.
Ah, yes, a project after my own heart!
Thanks to a DavesGarden.com member, I found your site.
I’ve often wondered about firing tempered glass in my kiln, though sadly I confess, still awaiting 220 connections.
Sigh.
In the meantime I shall admire yours, and admire them well. Very nice work!
Karen Marie Manasco
Hey Cynthia!!! THANKS soo much for sharing your information with us. Those bowls are absolutely gorgeous!! Can’t wait to hit the local glass guy and get some glass!!
*grin* You are WAY more patient than I am! Good luck and have a great time at the Hood River Art Walk.
Thanks, Brenda. Well, I consider that in a Shards piece the whole assemblage is going to be a bit fragile in the kiln. These kinds of tack fuses are essentially odd shapes that attach to other odd shapes in weird ways–pretty much the opposite of the stable, symmetrical piece most firing schedules assume. So I slow the downramp schedule to a crawl, i.e, I triple the annealing soak time and step the cooldown in very slow stages, never getting above 100 dph. If I’m using two-part molds (sand or not, because the inner molds are also pretty heat-retaining), I’ll add fairly long soaks at each downramp interval to equalize the temperature across the mold. And I don’t crack the kiln until it’s been at room temp for at least 12 hours.
I’m probably being conservative, but as far as I’ve been able to learn, the extra time doesn’t hurt anything but my (lack of) patience.
Very nice! Curiosity compels me to ask: When you used the sand-filled bowl as a weight in your mold did you make any accommodation in your firing schedule for the heat retention of the sand?